Josh Shaffer, Apple’s engineering director for UIKit and SwiftUI has joined John Sundell on his podcast Swift by Sundell in the latest episode to give a detailed look into what inspired SwiftUI, how Apple is using and improving it, and much more.

In the most recent Swift by Sundell episode, A major step forward, John talks with Apple’s SwiftUI engineering director, Josh Shaffer, for a fascinating and comprehensive conversation about the framework.

Give a listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, or whatever podcast client you like to use.

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